Detski Sad

[shazaam11]

We recently moved to Moscow and would like to enroll our 3 year old into a local detski sad (language isn't an issue - she understands Russian).

We have talked to a couple places, but have been told to go to the commisia and get in line. Does anyone have experience enrolling in a local detski sad? How were you able to do it and what advice can you give?

Thanks

[whizkid]

hi there Shazaam11!

here's my post from another thread reg kindergartens http://www.expat.ru/forum/neighborho...ergarten.html:

well, I was doing some research for one of my clients recently regarding Russian public kindergardens ......

to get in to a public(state) kindergarden in Moscow you must:

- have a registration in Moscow (provided by your company);
- choose 1-3 kindergardens in a preferable area;
- apply to a Committee on the Admission of children in kindergartens(fill some forms and provide them with your and your child's details);
- wait until September to be accepted (as it's the beginning of a schoolyear) or wait until the place in one of the chosen kindergartens is vacant (it works if you want to get in to during the year - October till May)

* I must say the system of getting in to a kindergarden in Moscow is very straightforward (unlike in the rest of Russian cities)
even if you're a foreigner you can easily apply to ANY public kindergarden you want and get in to it at the beginning of a schoolyear without a problem.

I hope it'll help.

feel free to ask me if you need help or have any questions

best,
Kate Alekseeva

MoscowExpatSupport
skype: moscowexpatsupport

[nbogaard]

Or go to the Detski Sad, talk to the director and work out a business arrangement.

[whizkid]

Originally Posted by nbogaard Or go to the Detski Sad, talk to the director and work out a business arrangement.

fortunately, in Moscow it doesn't work this way anymore
you can now enroll your child in a local state kindergarden in Moscow without any additional payments or vzyatka ))

best,
Kate Alekseeva

MoscowExpatSupport
skype: moscowexpatsupport

[maz]

I can add that this was pretty straight forward if there are places in the kindy you want to go to. It is worth checking with the relevant detski sad that they have places (or to make a place for your ; ) )

You need to have:
- a copy of the birth certificate
- a copy of your and your childs passport and registration
- medical card - which is a special form that something like EMC can get done for you
- the name of your child written in Russian (but nothing official so your visa should do)
- may be also some kind of "zayavlenie" - I needed for my son's kindy.

I did not need anything translated for the comission and it took 10 mins.

[zingo]

Originally Posted by whizkid fortunately, in Moscow it doesn't work this way anymore

ah?! The point is that we MAY enroll anywhere BUT there is no place available and a long waiting list, so we have to deal.

We did exactly like this and it worked. The "arrangement" was that we will help financially to purchase material, we were never asked money anyway. We purchased 2 flat TV screens last year, and this year in September I installed the local network for all computers in the place.

So finally it is a good thing, as I feel natural to help, and this way we are sure the "help" is really for the kids and not to finish in the pocket of the director.

Concretely, after we made the deal, we filled all the documentation, zaiavlenie etc, supplied the documents, of course.

[whizkid]

Originally Posted by zingo ah?! The point is that we MAY enroll anywhere BUT there is no place available and a long waiting list, so we have to deal. We did exactly like this and it worked. The "arrangement" was that we will help financially to purchase material, we were never asked money anyway. We purchased 2 flat TV screens last year, and this year in September I installed the local network for all computers in the place. So finally it is a good thing, as I feel natural to help, and this way we are sure the "help" is really for the kids and not to finish in the pocket of the director. Concretely, after we made the deal, we filled all the documentation, zaiavlenie etc, supplied the documents, of course.

what's the number of Detskiy Sad your kids go to?
and where in Moscow are you registered at? I mean what's the name of your district?
and, if possible, can you name those(or their positions) who insisted on this "arrangment" about 2 TV screens and installing the network?
did they really asked you to do all that in exchange for available places?

[zingo]

Originally Posted by whizkid what's the number of Detskiy Sad your kids go to? and where in Moscow are you registered at? I mean what's the name of your district? and, if possible, can you name those(or their positions) who insisted on this "arrangment" about 2 TV screens and installing the network? did they really asked you to do all that in exchange for available places?

LOL you want my phone number too? Wife won't be happy!

My propiska is in the center, and I won't give any name here, why would I? This kind of arrangement is frequent and quite natural IMO: People help when they can help. Nobody had to insist on the "2 flat screens and the network system", the director only said that if we could offer one or 2 TV that would be great, he showed where they will install them (and they are now at this place). About the network, I just saw some cables that shouldn't be there, asked why, got the explanation and offered to do it properly for all rooms.

After this discussion (and before we brought anything of course), the director told us that she will be happy to wait our kid in September and we filled the application.

I wouldn't have applied if I would have been asked money, but as I have nothing against supplying material for kids have a better place, so all is good And it is the same system everywhere, for detski sad or anything else. Don't play the blind girl

[whizkid]

Originally Posted by zingo LOL you want my phone number too? Wife won't be happy! My propiska is in the center, and I won't give any name here, why would I? This kind of arrangement is frequent and quite natural IMO: People help when they can help. Nobody had to insist on the "2 flat screens and the network system", the director only said that if we could offer one or 2 TV that would be great, he showed where they will install them (and they are now at this place). About the network, I just saw some cables that shouldn't be there, asked why, got the explanation and offered to do it properly for all rooms. After this discussion (and before we brought anything of course), the director told us that she will be happy to wait our kid in September and we filled the application. I wouldn't have applied if I would have been asked money, but as I have nothing against supplying material for kids have a better place, so all is good And it is the same system everywhere, for detski sad or anything else. Don't play the blind girl

no offense Zingo but you're misleading people!

nowadays in Moscow you don't have to do anything like that (supply DS with materials, pay money)..because it's not the director of DS to decide wether to take your kid or not!! it's a committee of your district (that's why I asked all those questions) and they don't need anything from you!
so you first go to a committee of your district, fill forms, choose 3 Detskiy Sad and then wait for September! that's it! even if the chosen DS doesn't have an available places they will creat one or will offer a another DS in your district as an option!

and I'm not playing blind girl. I just know some facts about life in Moscow because it's my job to know them.

best

[zingo]

Kate, as a Russian you should know that there is the Law, then there are the Rules, then there is the Reality. Both 3 don't often match and Russians and foreigners see this every day or so. That is one of the charm of our country

[whizkid]

Originally Posted by zingo Kate, as a Russian you should know that there is the Law, then there are the Rules, then there is the Reality. Both 3 don't often match and Russians and foreigners see this every day or so. That is one of the charm of our country

Zingo shall I repeat what I've already said several times?
believe me or not but if we're speaking about the current situation with Kindergardens/Detskiy Sad in Moscow then everybody should know that in this particular case(we're not discussing here Russia in general) Law,Rules and Reality do match.

[zingo]

> Zingo shall I repeat what I've already said several times?

Sorry if I made you repeat, Mrs Professor!

Well I am tired of this discussion, you know all because it is your job to know all about Moscow, great. I don't know all, I know the FACTS that I SAW in REAL LIFE and not in theorical chats. I am sure that people will appreciate your "help" if they have to find a place in a detski sad and you apply what you wrote above... I am anxiously waiting feedbacks not about theorical and philosophical talk,s but about FACTS.

Have a good evening

[whizkid]

Originally Posted by zingo > Zingo shall I repeat what I've already said several times? Sorry if I made you repeat, Mrs Professor! Well I am tired of this discussion, you know all because it is your job to know all about Moscow, great. I don't know all, I know the FACTS that I SAW in REAL LIFE and not in theorical chats. I am sure that people will appreciate your "help" if they have to find a place in a detski sad and you apply what you wrote above... I am anxiously waiting feedbacks not about theorical and philosophical talk,s but about FACTS. Have a good evening

my job is to be aware of such things and to help my clients to find a best DS and a place in it for their kids!

you're providing folks with WRONG information and you're being mean to me! just because you didn't know the situation you spent your money on TV screens and I feel sorry about that!
and I don't think that it's right to make people on this forum believe that the only way to get into a Detsky Sad is to pay for it/buy TV screen/provide them with materials,etc.

you don't have to pay/buy smth to enrol your child to DS!


have a good evening too!

[zingo]

Ooohhh I have to reply again, blin

As I told above, (should I repeat again ? ) I am waiting feedbacks of (happy??) clients that you helped. Don't worry too much about "people on this forum", most of them quickly already understood that written rules are not always made to be used. I wonder even if you believe what you are writing, or if it is just to promote your Service, hum? Old timers who are on this forum give great (and free....) help to newcomers in Moscow, and I never read any of them saying "just follow the written rules" Why? Just because it does NOT work, and I am sure that you KNOW it (At least I hope so...)!

I remember some years ago the process to get a phone line in Moscow. You could write an application, and quietly wait 2 or 3 years. This was the official way. You also could write the application, meet with the right person, make him a present, and wait 2 or 3 ... weeks to have your phone line. Things didn't change so much, and I confirm that it is the same for a few things including, MOST OF THE TIMES, DS. Sad or not sad that is the question, like told Sir William!

PS. About the "you didn't know the situation" well, as I told already (Should I repeat again? ) let's see how your great knowledge of the "situation" can work in a real deal, I am sure that lots of people will post here positive feedbacks!

PPS. As I am even a VERY kind man, if you get in trouble for anything despite your great knowledge of the "situation", contact me, you will be surprised to see that I can solve quite all problems Even kids in DS of another area,

BTW thank you for this good time spent on this forum, I laughed a lot

Originally Posted by whizkid my job is to be aware of such things and to help my clients to find a best DS and a place in it for their kids! you're providing folks with WRONG information and you're being mean to me! just because you didn't know the situation you spent your money on TV screens and I feel sorry about that! and I don't think that it's right to make people on this forum believe that the only way to get into a Detsky Sad is to pay for it/buy TV screen/provide them with materials,etc. you don't have to pay/buy smth to enrol your child to DS! have a good evening too!

[whizkid]

my only point is that you don't have to pay to enrol your child to a DS! that's it.
I'm not trying to say or proof anything else here.
and BTW my clients are those expats who don't have time on forums. I'm here just to share my knowledge as I really think that it might be helpful. I don't really expect folks here to use my services (would be nice though))
anyway, you can contact any of my clients (see 'clients' on my website) and ask for a feedback.